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'68 Coronet R/T
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RodMan
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Martin Senour is Sherwin Williams relabled. I remember reading some post recently that S&W can be cut with regular reducer now. If that's the case then the same should be true of the Martin. To be sure you may want to look up their tech recomendations on-line. |
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Barryk
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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The last year or so, S&W has been telling shops to use Urethane reducer in the 7000 base unless its a metallic.
They say the reason is to help with metallic control, I would think a shot of activator would do a lot better and be a lot cheaper. _________________
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crashtech
Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1338 Location: Southern Idaho
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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I still haven't been told that. I'd like to know just what is in the basecoat stabilizer. It does seem to help metallics, so if the color is a metallic, especially a light colored one, I would say use the Martin Senour stabilizer because metallic control is marginal with this paint.
On a solid color, use SPI reducer with 1 up to 2oz per quart of activator. Yes, 2oz.:
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'68 Coronet R/T
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crashtech
Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 1338 Location: Southern Idaho
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| '68 Coronet R/T wrote: | I wasn't able to find much information on their website. Actually I came away with more questions.
1. They show TRS2 or BCS2 and provide zero information on what either of them is.
2. They call them both "stabilizers" in one place and then TRS Solvents in another.
3. They call for the addition of TH704 with the BCS but not with the TRS.
I guess to be safe I will just use their stuff - whatever it might be. |
BCS indicates plain stabilizer, and TRS is HAPS free stabilizer with some isocyanate added. With BCS you can use 2oz. per qt. activator, with TRS you use just 1oz.
Are you shooting solid or metallic? |
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'68 Coronet R/T
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Jim C

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'68 Coronet R/T
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| Jim C wrote: | i'm going to guess you got a price on rm for yellow and you nearly fell over!!  |
He he he you got that right. $147 a quart.  _________________
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crashtech
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| '68 Coronet R/T wrote: | Solid yellow.
When you say activator are you referring to the TH704? |
Yes, but that product is not specific to the basecoat. It is the activator for their premium collision repair clear, so in your case, for example if you are using Universal Clear, you would substitute SPI activator in place of the TH704.
| Quote: | | Also, when you say stabilizer is this like a base maker that has to be added to complete the product? |
Yes and no, that is the $64 question. It seems to be an additive that helps with metallic control, for instance the Sherwin rep (Sherwin and M-S are the same, OK) tells me to put the stabilizer into Dimension base if there are issues with metallic control, but Dimension base is usually reduced with plain reducer. So it's obvious that there isn't anything in there that is incompatible with other bases, in fact I have used stabilizer to reduce SPI intercoat when it is to be used as a blending agent intermixed with basecoat.
Conversely, I have used SPI reducer in U7000 base (the product analogous to Tec-Base) with no adverse effects at all, at least to my limited ability to test (adhesion, through cure, gloss retention), though when I tried plain reducer in a high metallic it resulted in a redo due to nasty mottling.
If it was me spraying yellow, I would first buy a small amount of the M-S (if that is your choice) and do a coverage check with it. If it takes too much to cover, you are not saving money anyhow. If it turns out to have good coverage, I would use SPI reducer and 2oz. per quart UC activator. |
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Jim C

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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:55 am Post subject: |
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depending on the formula, yellow can be a big deal for coverage. some of the bright ones need a pure white base to go over first as they never completely hide anything or cover. yellow is always one of the most expensive colors and the coverage can be poor. most of the oem formulas in rm are 3 coats for yellows. i have shot some real bright formulas (non oem) that were like a candy and never covered. coverage is definaltely something you want to look into when picking your paint line. a deal ain't always a deal if you know what i mean. _________________ my gallery (all spi):
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'68 Coronet R/T
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Barryk
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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So it's obvious that there isn't anything in there that is incompatible with other bases, in fact I have used stabilizer to reduce SPI intercoat when it is to be used as a blending agent intermixed with base-coat.
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Crash that was pretty good, I would almost assume from what you are saying is a reduced and cheap-ed out 2020 intercoat may be the same thing. Hey not that I would know, just a 2 cent opinion. _________________
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